John-Luke: Good morning, University of Utah. My name is John Luke Shroeder.
Canyon: And I’m Canyon Sargent. Thank you for tuning in to this week’s episode of SLCreate, the podcast giving a platform to creatives across the Salt Lake Valley.
John-Luke: We have an amazing guest lined up for y’all today, so as we say…
John-Luke and Canyon: Let’s create.
Canyon: Sebastian Nowlan, thank you for being here with us today, my boy.
Sebastian: Yeah, thank you, guys, for having me.
Canyon: So, to kind of get things going here, do you just want to give the audience a little bit about you?
Sebastian: Yeah, sure. Just how do we know each other?
Canyon: Yeah
John-Luke: Some of the stuff you’re working on right now, too.
Sebastian: Yeah. So, I mean, we met in the Builders Track program.
Canyon: My boy. Shout out, Doman.
Sebastian: Shout out, Doman. Connected me and Canyon, then met John Luke through Canyon. But yeah, Builders Track’s been a fun ride. Really interesting experience so far, just in terms of kind of what I’d expected going into it. But I guess that kind of takes me to the entrepreneurial side of things. So I’m working on my screen printing business right now. That’s been going on for about a year now. Got into it just through clothing and then branched down tojust printing for other companies, apparel lines, tech companies, anyone that needed customized merchandise, stuff like that. Got to actually work with Shifties.
Canyon: Yeah. Shout out.
Sebastian: Yeah. But yeah, so that’s just a little bit of what I’m doing now. I’m working with a local company, Cash. So I’m their community manager doing a lot of social media management, marketing, material, and just helping to run med ads. So that’s been fun, getting to learn a lot ofthat side of things. And then, yeah, I mean, in terms of other projects going on, I’ve got some clothing stuff, art stuff, just finished up a super sweet furniture project, which was fun. But really just trying to get into like different creative backgrounds and bring like this one, you know, scale of creativity, right? They’re just like creative thinking and kind of taking it into as many different realms as possible. That’s kind of what I’ve been trying to focus on lately.
Canyon: Yeah, super sick. Just some more info about Seb. He is the man with many different hats. You tend to have a bajillion million projects and even more ideas. I guess kind of like the first question, so I feel like at least the time I’ve known you, you’re a super creative person, I’m interested in like, when you first started really starting to like make things. And I would love for you to kind of talk about the sushi company first off.
Sebastian: Yeah, definitely.
Canyon: Because I know that was a kind of earlier-stage design career.
Sebastian: Yeah, for sure. Yes, I mean in terms of like when I started creating things, I was super young. I mean, I’d gotten into painting when I was probably like eight years old. Like I just enjoyed painting, and I was like, “Hey, Mom, I want to do art classes.” So she got me into after-school art classes, and I was going like a couple of days a week and just painting everything from like watercolors to oil paints to acrylics. And that was super sweet and just kind of like a total outlet for me in terms of creativity. And I feel like I built a lot of that. I built a lot of what I have now just in that kind of early stage, that early exposure to it and just getting to kind of like meet and be around a lot of other artists and people like minded and then also just see what they’re doing and what kind of motivates them and the projects that they’re working on and why they have that attachment to them. And then yeah, going into sushi, that was a really cool experience for me. I mean, it just happened so randomly last year. So I’d gotten back from our winter break, and I was working a job at the time, but I was like, dude, I’m not making enough money. So I wanted to pick up a second part-time job that I just had more flexible hours for. So I was working, so I just went to all these restaurants and had like 30 resumes printed out. So I was like, all right, we’ll go to 30 restaurants and hopefully you know I get a job. So I just walkedinto all these places like, “Hey, you guys need a host or a waiter.” And finally, I walk into this sushi restaurant and ask the same question, and their manager is like no we’re all good there, but how are you with a knife? I mean, I can cook at home, I can use a knife. So a week later, I went in for an interview with their head sushi chef, and I talked to him for about an hour, did some demo roles, and then he gave me the job. That was super sick, and I trained under him for about like four or five months. He was the head chef of this restaurant, been there for over 10 years. So he liked, he knew his shit, and that was super cool. But, um, after that I just kind of like fell in love with sushi and like, not just that, but you know, I was working up at the sushi bar, all these super unique, random people coming in every day and you get to kind of like learn from them, hear about what’s going on in their lives, you know, and, And it was just a really cool way to connect with people that I hadn’t really experienced before because at the same time it’s like I’m making them sushi and they really appreciate the work that I’m doing and the food that I’m preparing for them. So it was a unique experience relationship with these customers. And I was like, oh, this is like, I really liked it. I liked just kind of like the combination of almost customer service hospitality with like a unique creative experience that’s also good food. And so that kind of started the omakase.
Canyon: Yeah, the omakase. I’m proud to say I have an OG omakase shirt.
Sebastian: Yeah, one of the first ones printed. But yeah, so omakase in Japanese translates to I’ll leave it up to you. And so it’s a commonly used phrase in sushi restaurants in Japan. You go in, and you know a sushi chef asks what you want, you say omakase, I’ll leave it up to you. And I think that it kind of it represents a couple of things but I think one of the main like most important things is you know, you go into this space, you go to this restaurant and it’s like you don’t know this chef, you don’t know anything about them, but you trust them because you’re in this space you’re in their environment, you know and ultimately they know what they’re doing. And so I think that’s a really cool, like just aspect to just the word, and kind of what motivated omakase was like that, combined with just bringing in like creativity and art into this and infusing it with like cuisine. You know? Just like good food. That was what really inspired it. And then yeah, I mean, really, omakase is a private dining experience, so you can come have me prepare sushi at your house.
Canyon: So epic.
John-Luke: Oh, that’s awesome.
Sebastian: And it’s kind of like a It’s like a dining experience, but it’s also like a show, you know, it’s not just like you’re eating. It’s like entertainment And so, yeah, it’s kind of what omakase is, how it kind of came to be.Canyon:If you got a special someone out there and you’re looking for a creative date night, you stay in your PJs at your house, and you call up Sebastian Nowlan for the omakase experience.
Sebastian: I will give you the omakase experience.
John-Luke: It sounds phenomenal. I think that’s one thing people don’t think about enough when they think of creativity: food.
Sebastian: Yeah.
Canyon: There’s so much creativity.
John-Luke: Being a chef is being an artist. And I think you talked about it there with the, especially sushi. Like you’re in a way designing that whole role.
Sebastian: Right. It’s a presentation, but then it’s also like, you know, what’s going into this, what’s the fish, where’d this fish come from, you know, what are the flavors that I’m combining with it? Yeah, it’s a really cool, unique art form.
Canyon: What was your favorite role that you made?
Sebastian: Oh, that’s a good question, I mean, I really enjoyed preparing like sashimi and nigiri because that just really highlights the fish, it’s the most important part. I mean, I like preparing… All sushi restaurants have different names for the roles, so it kind of depends, but the executive suite was a fun one.
John-Luke: What’s on that?
Sebastian: Executive suite that one had tuna on top with lime, but lime like very thinly sliced lime. But then inside of it was like tempura shrimp, crab, and avocado.
Canyon: It had all those things.Sebastian: But I mean, really just a nicely presented role, you know?
Canyon: Getting into another project, so recently Sebastian just dropped some photos from a photo shoot of a jouch. That he just designed and created, and I’ll let him explain what the job is.
Sebastian: Yeah, the denim couch. That was a fun one. It took me like a year.
Canyon: Oh, I was saying Jean Couch. But yeah, is douche better?
Sebastian: Well, no, I like, yeah, I like jouch, but just so everyone knows, denim couch. So I mean that I was like, over a year-long project, and mainly just because I had kind of put it on the back burner. But, pretty much, I was like it had kind of started with this idea of repurposing clothes. You know, I mean, we constantly go, and thrift clothing, people go and resell clothing. Some people turn old pieces of clothing into new pieces of clothing, you know. But then I was like, I thought this idea of turning something, like turning a piece of clothing into just like the exact opposite. Like taking it apart right and, and you look at a pair of jeans, and you think oh you just you’re supposed to put those on wear them it’s a pair of jeans, but I was like what if you know it could just be something else, and I was like why can’t it be why can’t jeans be a couch you know? And so I had gone to the Goodwill bins, I bought 25 pairs of jeans, and I cut them all up into pieces and sewed this couch from scratch, and just like all the cushion covers, pillows, and then the full exterior of the couch, I wrapped it in denim as well. So it was a super cool project. And I was stoked on the outcome of it and everything, but now it’s come to the point where I have to sell it. And that’s not the easiest part for sure.
Canyon: Yeah, definitely.
John-Luke: Jouch not in high demand?
Sebastian: No, dude, apparently not. No, it’s not even that. It’s more like I want it to be in the right spot, you know?
John-Luke: Yeah.
Sebastian: Ideally, I’d love to get it into a retail store. like a clothing store or something like that, or even kind of like an art space would be sweet.
Canyon: No, I guess that’s also something I’ve specifically been noticing with Shifties is, I feel like within a lot of entrepreneurial ventures, everyone thinks the hardest part is actually like getting the thing made or like coming up with some insane new idea and then finally having the product in front of you. But at the end of the day, that is like the easiest and funnest part. At the end of the day, what’s actually hard. It all comes back to business, something that you can’t escape. It’s sales.
Sebastian: It’s like convincing people why it’s unique.
Canyon: I’m sure you put hours and hours of endless work into that couch; blood, sweat, and tears, and that was just the easy part.
Sebastian: Yeah, but that’s the thing. I mean, like it’s like you said you enjoy that part, or else you wouldn’t be doing it.
Canyon: Getting into another project with this jean couch throughout different views of the couch. There are some remnants of the OTG print, which OTG was a clothing company that you’re still running or used to?
Sebastian: Yeah. So that was pretty interesting. So OTG started as strictly a clothing line. OTG stands for off the grid.
Canyon: So were some of those jeans on that couch original OTGs?
Sebastian: Yeah.
John-Luke: That’s awesome.
Canyon:That’s way cool.
Sebastian: Yeah, that was, so OTG started last fall, fall of 2024, and the clothing label off the grid. It was like last fall, my homies and I were all camping a bunch, like every weekend we’d go camping, um, like on BLM dispersed, you know, campsite land.
Canyon: Here in Utah?
Sebastian: Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, Bureau of Land Management, we’d just go camp on that free land, um, like out in the middle of nowhere. And so that was where the name, like off the grid, kind of came from. Um, and as we would just, it was kind of just like an inside thing. And then a few of us were like, this could actually be something. And so we kind of had just started brainstorming, and like on all these trips, kind of like ideas, graphics, and the direction we kind of wanted it to go in. And then, like I had my screen printing experience in high school. I had started a clothing brand then because I’d just gotten super into fashion. And so I was like, let’s get back into screen printing. And that was also where, just like the idea of repurposing clothing originally started for me. And so I’d gone to the thrift stores with all my buddies, and we’d, youknow, come back every day with like 20, 30 pieces and screen print them all with the graphics we designed. And then we built up a collection of like, probably a hundred pieces. Um, and then went and made some connections in downtown Salt Lake. And we’re just like, hey, we got this collection. Can we come someday and set up some clothing racks in front of your store and sell clothes on the sidewalk? Um, so we did that for a couple of days and pretty much sold out of everything. And that was sick, yeah. It was a lot of fun, but you know, I was the only one who was super into it. My buddies were just kind of there. So they kind of were like, all right, we’re done with this. After we sold everything, you know, everyone kind of went their separate ways, took their cut from it. And so it worked out really well, but then it was like, all right, we have no more clothing. It’s kind of just me now. And so, I still had all this screen printing experience and all this equipment. And so that was when OTG kind of pivoted to OTG prints, a mass screen printing service. And so I started working with companies like Cash Down in Sandy, printing their tailgate pads and cooler bags, to like clothing brands.
Canyon: Sweet.
John-Luke: I’ve got a question for you. So, as someone who’s balancing a million different projects at one time, how are you able to divide your attention properly between all of them and then still have the bandwidth to come up with new ventures that you want, like the jean couch, just something that you want to work on for yourself?
Sebastian: I think that that’s like the main problem is that I’ll become super passionate about a project and then some little part of it will kind of bore me, or I won’t be as enthusiastic about it. And then during that moment, I start thinking of other concepts or ideas or things I want to work on, or it won’t even be that, it’ll be like me listening to a song or seeing something that I like some other designer or some other person did. And I’m like, oh wait, that was a really cool phrase, or that was a really cool idea. What are some different forms of that? What else could that look like? I think that’s like a big issue with me, and that’s probably why I shouldn’t be starting companies, because like I’d like to pivot too quickly, you know, and I start thinking of what’s next, and what’s next. And it’s like sometimes you’ve just got to stop and actually seesomething through and realize like wait, no, you can’t move forward because this is wrong, this isn’t going to work, you know. So I think that’s definitely a flaw that I have. But yeah, in terms of staying on top of my projects, it’s not really a thing. I just, yeah, I get too distracted.
Sebastian: Could you kind of just, I guess, speak to the value of maybe having all of these various design skills and such different mediums that you work in? Are you ever like leaning on something you learn from one field to another field that you’re working in?
Sebastian: Yeah, definitely. So I think that, like working with different mediums for me, like yes, they’re different mediums, but I oftentimes do kind of look at them as the same. Just in terms of how you can kind of manipulate them and how you can, like, how you can just display your vision, like you could have a vision for something, and you could display it with clothing, or you could probably do something pretty similarly with furniture or even food. Or an experience, you know? And it’s like, I just, I like to think of, I like to think of my ideas or projects without, like, too many constraints, right? Like, that’s the thing with the couch. This is like, if I had all these constraints, then I probably never would have turned jeans into a couch, you know? Because I just would have been like, that’s not right. That shouldn’t be done, you know? But I think that’s a big aspect of it, and then for me, like, definitely taking, or like, the second part of your question was like, you know, kind of, bringing in areas from other projects or things that I’ve learned and new things I’m working on. And I do that a lot for sure.
John-Luke: That constructive criticism is such an important part of the creative process, I think any process, but especially the creative process that people kind of shy away from sometimes. I feel like it’s definitely scary bringing someone something you worked on and then having them just kind of tell you it sucks.
Sebastian: Exactly.
John-Luke: How important has stuff like that been to your trajectory, I guess?
Sebastian: Yeah I think it’s been like it’s been huge for me. I think also another part of it is just understanding where that advice is coming from and who’s telling you, you know, that it sucks or who’s telling you that it’s great. You always have to take it with a grain of salt. I think our professor had actually Cord Bowen, and he said it earlier today about just how, you know, he doesn’t necessarily like people just constantly hyping him up about things, you know, he doesn’t think that you should constantly be praised. And I totally agree with that, because it’s like, yeah, you know, you’re constantly praised, you’re constantly told you’re doing a great job. It’s like, you just get it in your head about it. And I think that’s why I kind of like being around people that kind of point out what I’m doing wrong, you know, and aren’t afraid to tell me because there are a lotof people that won’t speak up, and won’t say like, you know, they’ll just be like, oh, yeah, that’s great. You did a good job. You know, thumbs up. But at the end of the day, that’s not helping anyone. You know, it’s not pushing anything forward. And so I definitely like that kind of feedback and being around that kind of attitude. It’s important.
Canyon: Yeah. I guess a little bit that I’d add on to that, something that helped me like because originally when I like started in my design program, I was like, super self -conscious about all the work I was doing because I hadn’t really done much design beforehand and I just felt really out of place, but some some word of advice I got from a professor is like you can’t look is at the critique that you’re getting going directly at you. It’s not critiquing you as a person. It’s critiquing your work, and at the end of the day, like when you think about it like that, getting your work critiqued, yeah, maybe it sounds like they’re saying negative things about you as a person and your project, but more importantly, they’re just trying to help you better whatever that project is.
Sebastian: Exactly.
Canyon: And like it also goes back to entrepreneurship about listening to the customer. Sometimes getting bad feedback is like the best stuff because that just gives you more work to pivot around and find solutions to, and evidently will help you get to like… I don’t know if anyone ever gets to the perfect solution, but yeah, closer at least.
Sebastian: Right. And it’s not even that it’s like a solution that’s going to fit more needs right, or just help more people.
Canyon: If you don’t mind, could you kind of tell us a little bit about what your art is? I guess like what your paintings and artistic style are around, like your watercolors, as well as the other mediums that you use.
Sebastian: Yeah. So I haven’t been painting watercolors in a while. I’m mainly now using oil paints, and I’ll do acrylics as well. Like I would have told you a couple of years ago, that I’m just painting landscapes with oils, but it’s changed a lot. I just finished an abstract portfolio with like 27 paintings in it.
Canyon: Yeah, those are sweet. Those are so sick.
Sebastian: Thanks, yeah. That was fun, though. That had started actually like that process I originally did in high school, of just dragging the paint and layering it. And then I got back into it, like around a year ago. And then I started doing clothing pop-ups at raves in downtown SaltLake. And I was like, you know what, you know, people are at a rave. They see a rack of clothing. Maybe I’ll go by and see what’s going on. And so I wasn’t getting a lot of people at our pop -ups. And I was like, what else can I do? And so I was like, let’s do live painting at the shows. And I brought back that whole concept of dragging the paints. It’s much more interactive than sitting there with a paintbrush, you know? And so that was super sweet. And people loved that and would come up, and they’d be like, oh, can I drag a line, whatever, you know? So it was a great way to add that interactive element to the booth and get more people coming by. But then that had kind of launched the whole series of them. So I ended up coming back and doing more and more of these paintings. And then I would do them at home. So I did 27. And that was super fun, just totally different from anything else I’d done. But now I’ve been focusing on combining different media. And so I just finished, or I’m about to finish, a piece that’s like half oil paint, half acrylic paint. It’s like three feet by three feet, so it’s big. Yeah, it’s gonna be fun. So I’m stoked to finish that.
John-Luke: How long has that taken you?
Sebastian: I started it in September, I think. But it’s the thing, like I don’t, you know, the last time I touched it was like two weeks ago, two or three weeks ago. So I don’t just like, I’ll go through phases. It’s the same with all my projects, right? One week, I’ll paint every night for two hours, and I won’t touch it for three weeks.
John-Luke: Do you think that helps you in some ways, though, like taking a break from it, coming back with, in a way, a fresh set of eyes, almost?
Sebastian: That’s exactly what it is. It’s a fresh set of eyes, and then also it’s like, yeah, during those two to three weeks, I walked past it every day, and then one day I was like, wait, this is totally wrong, or this doesn’t look right, or I need to add this to it, or this color should be here. I think that, yeah, it’s exactly, just kind of sitting on it for a little bit, letting it marinate.
Canyon:Do you think that’s something that, like others, let’s say, there are creative people listening to this right now? Yeah. Like that, you would recommend, maybe? Cause I think sometimes when people are in that mode of creating, they’re just trying to nonstop, get it as good as they can, kind of bang it out. Do you think that would be some kind of advice you’d give someone, maybe?
Sebastian: I’d say yes and no, because I definitely find that, you know, taking your time. Yeah. You’re going to get a better output a lot of the time, but also a lot of the times I’ll take my time and I won’t even finish the project, you know? Or I’ll just start too many new things, and then I forget about them. I won’t finish it for a year, like the couch.John-Luke: Great things take time.
Sebastian: Yeah, I guess so, but I think that a big part of that, too, is just you know, now with social media, it’s just about getting things out there, you know, and building a portfolio for yourself as early as possible. I didn’t start putting any of my stuff out there, posting it, until like a year ago, but I’ve been creating and making stuff since my sophomore and freshman years of high school. I mean, since before that, but actually doing stuff since then, right? And it was always just like this idea in my head of either like, it’s not good enough to put out there, like people won’t like it. Or like, yeah, just this self-conscious, like voice in my head, like people aren’t gonna like it. It’s not ready to be put out there. You could still perfect it, do more to it, right? But I think that if I had just, like, if I could go back, I would have totally put that out there because I would have had over like, 50 posts on my Instagram with all this cool stuff that I did that people could see and that I could also go back and be like, well, look at how lame that was three years ago. So I think that it’s both good and bad, kind of like having that patience, but also just sometimes you just have to put it out there. It’s not easy.
Canyon: Not only putting like something that like portrays yourself out there into the world but also putting something out there that like, you know deep down that like, I’ve had to post stuff on Instagram and like shown work that I just am like so embarrassed of, just like I like do not want people to see this but it’s like what you said like eventually you have like 50 different pieces.
Sebastian: Exactly
Canyon: To be able to have those out in the world just gives another set of eyes to critique and better the product, but sorry, I’ve been sitting on another question. So we’re going to go back a little bit, but I really want to ask. So with the paintings that you mentioned, you started to get a lot more traction once you started doing it, like actually in front of people, as well as maybe even interacting sometimes with the lines.
Sebastian: Yeah.
Canyon: Kind of where I’m going with this is do you have any other examples of where you’ve kind of involved the customer or like the audience into the product and how much has that played a role in your in your creations of like what other people I guess not only like interact with it but like how they perceive it like what they want like have you gone into any of that or is it kind of mostly just been like personal projects?Sebastian: Yeah. So I think that aside from that, the most interactive I got was when I would do the clothing pop-ups in downtown Salt Lake.
Canyon: Yeah.
Sebastian: That was a really cool couple of days because I was out, we would set up from 10 am to 4 pm. on the sidewalk, and it’s like I mean, talking to hundreds of random people each day, right? All the conversations revolved around the clothing that was on the racks that I’d created and designed. It’s like getting all this different feedback. It was super cool to kind of just hear, I guess, because like I said, I wasn’t posting much, and so that was kind of the first like actual validation, especially like raw organic validation right from random complete strangers. So that was a really nice part of it, and that kind of allowed me to go back to the drawing board with all these new ideas, and all this stuff that I hadn’t seen before, and this new potential. But, um, in terms of involving people with an actual project, I haven’t done that yet. And there’s this designer that I thought of right when you said that his name is ass pizza. He’s out of, he’s out of New York. Um, so anyways, he does this thing like probably every couple of months, he’ll go out, he’ll post a location on Instagram. He has, like, I don’t know how, probably a few hundred thousand followers. He has a big following, and he’ll post a location like in LA or New York, some big city, at a park. And he’ll show up with hundreds of yards of denim or canvas. And he’ll just give out Sharpies, markers, and spray paint cans and have people go crazy on hundreds of yards of fabric. And he’ll take it back to his warehouse and chop it up and make clothes out of it. And it’s so cool. Yeah. And it’s like just hundreds of random people coming out and drawing on this fabric. And then he goes and makes clothes out of it. And it’s just like, I don’t know, to me, that’s so, just awesome because people will sit here and like create these meaningless graphics, you know and like spend who knows, too much money right on these like super lame clothing drops and then he just like it’s like all right I’m gonna do the complete opposite, and let the community like scribble on fabric and then turn that into clothing. So I think just that whole aspect of involving people like that is really sweet, something that I want to do.
John-Luke: Cause you’ve kind of gone from just being like, you’re talking about when you were younger, just like getting into it through the painting side. And now you’re kind of transitioning into the entrepreneurship aspect of it. How, um, how did that kind of transition occur for you? Like, was there a moment where it just kind of clicked? You’re like, Oh, I want to turn this into a business? I want to get into the entrepreneurial field.
Sebastian: Yeah. I think that for me it was like, along with kind of having a pretty deep, extensive creative background, I’ve worked, like I’ve been employed since I was a freshman in high school, and with that I’ve worked for like I don’t know exactly but probably over 10 different companies and had a lot of weird different jobs and worked for a lot of weird people, andthroughout that experience like it was I mean I gained a lot of very valuable experience, but also a large part of that was like all right I do not want this for myself like I could never be in this position. I could never be in my boss’s position. I can never be in my boss’s boss’s position, you know and It’s like, that’s just not something that I want to do, not the type of work that I want to do, and not the kind of just not what I want to be surrounded by and not what would I know that it wouldn’t bring me fulfillment throughout my life. And so that’s what I wanted to figure out, like what the other path looks like for that. And I kind of just obviously had this creative background, right, where I’ve worked on other projects and had this passion for it. And I was like, all right, let’s combine that with, you know, building a business and see what we can do with it. And I think that that’s kind of the lack of direction, and being driven by creativity has created a lot of change in that. You know, in terms like from clothing brand to printing service to now I’m working on furniture, and I’m working on a candle now, I’m working on all this other stuff, right? It’s like I think that a part of that is kind of nice and refreshing, but it’s also, you know It’s hard to build a business that way, you have to kind of find something and stick with it. So it’s definitely something I’ve found to be a struggle, but we’re working on it.
Canyon: Well, I mean, it takes a man to be able to say what imperfections, I guess you could say, you have about yourself. So kudos to you for figuring that out. And I know you’re going to hone in on all the crazy, and one of these is going to for sure blow up. I’m proud of you for everything.
Sebastian: Thank you.
Canyon: And trying to grow as a founder as well as a designer. But, kind of just to wrap everything up, is there anything else that you would want to say to the audience? Any advice, or maybe some creatives out there, or any people thinking about entrepreneurship?
Sebastian: Yeah, I would say, I mean, there are two things that I’ve been thinking about a lot recently. One of the things I mean, we’ve talked about a lot so far, but it’s just like, don’t listen to what other people have to say, you know, do what you want to do, because at the end of the day, like that, you know, that’s what’s going to bring you happiness. And you know, that’s what it’s gonna give you, that feeling of fulfillment.
Canyon: Anything that you say about me is a story that you make up or is a story that you say?
Sebastian: Yeah, exactly.Canyon: I think Cord might’ve said that I might have butchered the way it goes, but yeah,
Sebastian: It was close and I liked it, and I think on top of that too, it’s like this kind of just goes on to my work ethic and the way I look at things, but it’s like, you know, you’re going to come across a lot of bad, like a lot of things you don’t want to do. Right. There’s a lot of that. And I feel like more recently there’s just been kind of like a growing, just a growing percentage of people that are so willing to give up very quickly and easily, you know? Because things get a little tough or things get a little hard for them. And I think that that’s one of the things that you really need to work on because at the end of the day, that’ll make or break you. And, um, just being able to tough it out and go get through things. It’s a big part of you know what’s going to make it at the end of the day. So I think those are two things I’ve been thinking about a lot recently.
Canyon: Yeah.
John-Luke: Go ahead and plug yourself too, so people can find you and check out your projects.
Canyon: LinkedIn, Instagram…
Sebastian: Yeah. OTGSEB
Canyon: Any underscore or anything?
Sebastian: No. Yeah. And then I’ll have my website up on there in my bio. LinkedIn is Sebastian
Nowlin. N -O -W -L -A -N. Yeah, I don’t do Snapchat. I don’t do TikTok.
Canyon: Fair enough. Well, Sebastian, thank you so much for coming in and talking with us.
Sebastian: Yeah, thank you guys.
John-Luke: This has been a great episode. We really appreciate it.
Canyon: Super interesting stuff. Thanks for all the advice for any designers/entrepreneurs out there. And we’re going to cue the outro. Thanks, guys.